How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Why do so many 18 to 29-year-old men struggle in dating?

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

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I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

CONCLUSION:

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

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To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

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Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

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If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

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Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

NOW…

Why am I so tired of seeing homeless people all over the place?

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

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ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Kabir (a weaver)

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

I am like a fish out of water,

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

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Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

then who is there to know what happens without?

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Sain (a barber)

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

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ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Now here in this verse

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

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My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

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Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,